By far the two most important sources of Norse Myth are the Poetic Edda and the Prose Edda. We receive both through the careful hands of Christian compilers, well within the period of Christian hegemony. Norse Myth is the consequence of “Promethean transmission.” To wit, it was developed by Jews, if through the cultivating of rough, primitive Aryan myths and stories. Regardless, it was developed toward a Jewish end. Hence, like Christianity, it still serves that end.
Here we find a “Christian rock”, catered to an audience and designed to prepare the barbarian mind for a feminine Christianity. Of course, since highly intelligent Jews were behind its design, it was several times more “badass” than the universally and deservedly mocked phenomena of “Christian Rock”. Indeed, the latter is obviously developed by benighted Aryan Christians and lazy, low-end, unimaginative Jews picking up a paycheck. These are holdouts in a dying brand where seven eighths of the corporate headquarter consist of empty cubicles.
Norse myth in contrast, developed warfare, masculinity and “racism” to enthrall a Barbarian audience. Indeed, it even required an afterlife where one continued fighting! Instinctively, Barbarians, racially youthful and healthy, if uncultivated, disliked the idea of a tranquil afterworld. After all, it implicitly suggested docile dominated descendants. This is to ignore, for the moment, the unworkable premise of a heaven that “ends suffering” yet then has nothing to define its euphoria by, except perhaps unending boredom. Indeed, those who did not die fighting for Odin suffered the ultimate indignity. They were given to a woman, Hel, the equivalent of Proserpina, a Jewess or Semitized woman.
In any case, a “psychological prep” for a more sheep-like, afterworld-oriented, Christian future was not the only goal of the Norse myth. Here, as in Christianity, we find an esoteric work of art that develops JEM toward Jewish and Aryan audiences alike. The average Viking surely would never have guessed in a thousand years that Odin was essentially a Jew, any more than the average American might suspect that Spiderman is a Jew. Yet in the JEM, as in the JEM of Christianity, it was critically meaningful that Odin was essentially a Jew.
To the extent we see Odin worshipers pitted against Christians during any period of medieval history or Vikings raiding English monasteries ostensibly compelled by Odin, we find something no more meaningful than the various schisms and wars appearing in Christianity more broadly or between Christianity and Islam. Often we find merely, a “caducean struggle” or false dichotomy, where two Jewish brands within the same Jewish company, compete for dominion. Norse myth vis-à-vis Christianity obviously represented the “right” (as in politics) end of the caduceus.
But what is the proof? First, and perhaps most painfully, these myths, while evidently inferior to classical myths are, nevertheless, quite sophisticated. Betraying a knowledge of both Biblical, Jewish, Classical and arguably World Myth more broadly. Likewise, they are frequently humorous. Aryan Barbarians did not create this, even if they followed it, anymore than Christianity, which they would also eventually follow. This should be obvious. One might as soon adopt the “black Athena” thesis.
The “smoking gun” here though is, the myth itself and the symbolism it employs which is decipherable to us via Interpretatio Romana. First, Yggdrasil with its nine worlds. This is obviously a reference to the Cabalistic tree. Here the earthly sephorit, or the earth upon which the tree rests, is omitted, as it is in the Hanukkah candelabra. Though the number nine in both cases may also be a reference to the nine months of pregnancy thus “Aryanness” more generally. Here we remember the Aryan represents the womb or breeding “stock” vis-à-vis the Jewish seed. Here we remember Odin hung for nine days and travel nine worlds.
Second the hanging of Odin on the tree is obviously a reference to Christ’s crucifixion. Here Norse enthusiasts will argue that Christianity took hold precisely because of a “preceding hanging God.” This is an acceptable thesis with the important provision that any preceding “Hanging God” arrived via “Promethean transmission”, with Jews prepping the way for Christianity.
Third, Balder is obviously Christ as well, and therefore, Yahweh, Judah and Jewry embodied. Ragnarok is obviously drawn from the Christian apocalypse narrative. Here “Odinists” should pay special attention. After Ragnarok , which represents a slaughter of pagan Gods, a destruction of idols, and Tikkun Olam writ large, it is prophesied Balder will return and rule. Balder is Adonis and Christ hence Jewry incarnate. Consider how Jewish the cause of the war was as well. Some Giantess crank refused to cry for a slain Balder who was “suffering” and “profound” in his lifetime.
Who doubts, for instance, that Jews, suddenly given carte blanche, wouldn’t spark world war three on the premise that some Middle Eastern potentate has denied the Holocaust? In other words, because someone refused to cry for Balder! Yet Christianity ruled on the same premise during its height. He who denied Christ and his suffering was as good as dead. Consider the Ragnaroks that Europe has abided because some group of Christians was perceived as merely incorrectly mourning “Balder.” Could it have been more insane? There are men who want back to this? We, friends, are the lucky ones!
But Balder was the “fairest God”, it will be argued, hence Aryan. Yet the Phoenician and obviously Semitic god Adonis too was necessarily developed as a beautiful god. Does Warner Sallman’s famous portrait of a fair, handsome Christ stop Christ from being a Jew? Do any images of a fair, handsome, even blue-eyed Christ stop Christ from being a Jew? Do the Jewish developed Superman or Captain America look like your typical Jews? Again here it is understood by myth developers that their audience is, yes, naturally “racist.”
This also addresses the clear racial hierarchy found in the world tree of Yggdrasil where it seems Dark Elves are placed beneath Dwarfs, Dwarfs beneath men, men beneath the Nordic, angelic Light Elves, and Light Elves beneath the “Trojan” Aesir. As with Christianity, on one hand, the Aryan was permitted to look with a mixture of pity and envy on “greedy, Dwarfish” Jews, whom Dwarfs clearly represent, yet on the other hand, worship Jews and their angelic Aryan front men in the Church. The structure here, with Aryan Light Elves standing between governing Gods, mirrors directly the idea of Angels, front men, standing as messengers between man and a Jewish God.
But what about that story where some Dwarf trying to marry Thor’s daughter is stalled and questioned until the sun rises so that he turns to stone? Doesn’t this make Thor an anti-Semite? Let’s not forget the sun also turns giants to stone, hence “pagans” of all stripes. Here again we see the division between Jewish God and the Jewish class, between Christ, Yahweh and the Pharisee. The sun here is not Apollonian. Rather the firmament itself is carved from the skull of a northern, Aryan founder and forebear, “Ymir” and rests on the backs of four Dwarfs. It blocks out the real sun.
These Dwarfs may represent as well the ubiquity of Jewish diaspora spread out to the four corners of the world. The Jews have the role of money keeping, seen in the greed of Norse Dwarfs. The “Aesir” have the role of leading Aryans into cataclysmic wars on the behalf of Balder. Hence it is necessary to flatter the servant, Janissary, Aryan by placing him above the “pitiful”, “ridiculous” merchant Jews. With this simple flattery of simple men, he may rule them. To wit, “Don’t be greedy and power seeking like Jews. Instead, be honorable, ready to die for Balder and you will see Valhalla.” With the Dwarf as a symbol of Jewry we find a self-deprecation akin to that found in Woody Allen films or on a Howard Stern radio show.
Norse Mythology’s most important child, the Arthurian myth, becomes perfect propaganda vis-à-vis the Crusades, which listed as its primary goal “strangely” the recapture of Jerusalem. Jews, among Barbarians whom might kill for a slight, were forced to be especially subtle and careful. Though not in all cases. Indeed, Frigga will even sleep with four Dwarfs to obtain the Necklace of the Brisings. We don’t remember even Adonis’ lover Venus Pandemos stooping that low. Otherwise, the Semitic Bride Gathering Cult is expressed through Aesir intermixing with Frost Giants and with Vanir, especially Frigga.
The figure of Volund the smith, a clear reference to both Daedalus, Vulcan, and therefore, as I’ve argued, King Solomon, becomes an especially Jewish figure. He is a dark one as well. He will kill the children of an Aryan king, carve the skulls of his children into goblets and deceive the latter to drink from them. Here we find as well a Symbolic Synonyms of Christ’s Semitic Blood Wine. Hence esoterically the myth may even be describing Christianity and the Eucharist as revenge.
I am even inclined to argue that that most beloved Thor is the Semitic “Vulcan as Jupiter.” To wit, he is a Dwarf-God! The short-handled hammer is the obvious clue here. After all, the war hammer didn’t appear as a weapon on battlefields until the 14th century, where it developed as a counter to plate armor. There it resembled an ice axe and was at least as long as a mace, sometimes as long as a halberd. Certainly it wasn’t a hurled weapon as developed Thor’s Hammer, Mjolnir.
Yes, there is a myth in the Norse myth that explains why the hammer is short handled because it was at some point broken. But such explanatory details are common in JEM, as we will discover, where it is evident additional layers of concealment are desired, so that this or that symbol is less easily decoded. In contemporary JEM, Authors will mislead with false explanations of symbols and these “Exoteric Alibi’s” appear also within myths.
Like Vulcan, and like Loki (a clear “Samael figure”), Thor is a redhead as well. It connects him to fire but also Jewishness and admixture more generally. Indeed, during the medieval period, redheadness would be associated especially with Jews and witches.
But isn’t Thor a Celestial God, a thunder God and therefore Aryan? In Exodus we see clearly the conflation of a thundering storm god and a volcano god. As this study explicates, heaven as a symbol, if Aryan in essence, also becomes emblematic of dominance. In the Modern Hebrew we find the word Gaash, געש, which means “volcano” and “storm”. In the ancient Hebrew its verb root Gaash means “to shake, quake.” Hence we imagine the “thundering hammer” of Thor as synonymous with the thundering, forging hammer of Vulcan. In the Norse mythology Thor’s hammer becomes associated with thunder and lightning. In the Greco-Roman myth body it also has this association. There Vulcan is forging Jupiter’s lightning bolts.
Certainly Jormungandr or the Midgard serpent that encircles the boundaries of the sea and whom Thor slays during Ragnarok is Leviathan appearing in the Hebrew Bible. As described in Isaiah 27:1, the “coiling serpent” and “dragon of the sea” suffers the same fate at the hands of Yahweh during the apocalypse.
Norse myth describes Thor hooking the enormous Midgard serpent on a fishing trip and pulling him into a boat prior to their fateful encounter during Ragnarok.  This is a reference to Job 41:1. “Can you pull in Leviathan with a hook or tie down his tongue with a rope? Can you put a cord through his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook?” Here Job is marveling at the strength of Yahweh. Thor’s fishing parable contains the same upshot. To wit, the God may subdue Leviathan/Jormungandr.
Here I contend the adversarial Frost Giants describe “Hyperborean”, the tall, northern, dominating Aryan akin to the gigantic watchers of the Book of Enoch whom fathered the Nephilim. To wit, Northmen from a Jewish perspective. Here with the giant slaying Thor, we find David versus Goliath. As in the Hebrew Bible, the giants Gog and Magog aren’t our devils too, rather they are descriptions of us. The Light Elves, in Norse myth, are the “Frost Giants” Christianized brothers. Yes, the myth describes how the good light Elves are destine for a heaven called Gimle.
Stan Lee, for his part, seems to have posited Thor as a Jew. Again, name meanings constitute primary clues. There Thor’s alter ego is Donald Blake. The name Donald which means “world leader” appears in my estimation —at least to the extent I have encountered it— to have no particular ethnic meaning in the JEM. Hence the name is most likely a status identifier in the context of JEM.
With the last name Blake, Lee is being deliberately vague, as the name may mean either “white” or, more commonly, “black.” According to naming conventions in JEM, if it means the former, Thor is indicated as an Aryan, if it means the latter, a Jew. Here Lee appears to play a game that he will play with other Jewish characters we encounter in his work who are intended as especially WASP-appearing crypto-Jews, where names may indicate either Aryan or Jewish identities, yet where other clues establish Jewishness. These are, most notably, Hank Pym (Ant-man) and Hawkeye, both whom we will have an opportunity to discuss.
Thor’s girlfriend Jane Foster, a redheaded nurse in the initial series, is certainly a Jew. Here Lee, as with the Ant-man and the Wasp, departs from a more common Jewish man, Aryan woman pairing. The last name Foster is likely a reference to the medieval position of forester from which the name is often believed to be derived. Hence there is a sense of Jane managing the Aryan arboreal element perhaps even as a cutter of wood. Yet the much stronger proof of her Jewishness is her first name, which is a form of John, a common Jewish identifier in the JEM.
In the first issue, Thor fights belligerent stone, green men from the planet Saturn. Clearly, here, by use of multiple symbols, he intends these green men as Jewish figures. But here we encounter the aforementioned “caducean phenomena” that will appear throughout the Marvel works.
Indeed, the decisive indication that the Marvel Thor is indicated as a Jew is that he begins as a lame man who may walk only with a cane. Here we appear to find a corroboration from a Jewish esoteric source that Thor and Vulcan, who was also lame, are synonyms. Here also we see the transition of a lame Jewish God to a dominant Aesir. We count it as significant as well that in his second appearance Thor uses a volcano, activated by thunder, to repel his adversaries. Vulcan is of course a Volcano God. 
But the worst insult of all in the Norse Myth? The wolves of Ragnarok whom were chained by a conspiracy of Aesir and Dwarfs! These are clearly references to Apollo “Lycegenes” or Aryan Benjamin the “ravenous wolf.” Here we have the Aryan himself enchained, by the Church or Odin, on one hand, and the Jews or Dwarfs, on the other. Here the “Dwarfs” are clearly depicted fashioning the unbreakable “chains of myth”. Indeed, the wolf Fenrir will even eat the sun. Worst of all, Mars, in the form of Tyr, will betray him, placing his hand in the wolf’s mouth as promise that he will not be chained. And what does Tyr get for his service to Odin and the Aesir? He gets demoted, loses power and his hand.
Both with Odin’s lost eye and Tyr’s lost hand we see a “Hamsa” motif. We see the Aryan losing his five senses, denying his senses, denying the world itself, to serve and die for “Balder.” The radical Matthew articulates it in Christ’s Sermon on the mound: “If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away…if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your whole body than to depart into hell.”
Perhaps here the one-eyed Mercurial Odin becomes Aryan by a degree, the half-blind Mercurial, the emotional radical whose very name is believed to mean “Frenzy.” Here he is second to the Jewish, full-sighted, Vulcanian Thor, whom is nevertheless posited as Odin’s son. Of course, that Jacob was the father of Judah, did not stop the latter from being the true Jew, “Son of Man” and inheritor.
Indeed, between Odin and Thor we may have, on one level, the Twin Messiahs, Joseph and David, Mercury and Vulcan, Christian Church and Old Testament Jew. Yet the correspondences may be loose here. After all, Odin is certainly a Christ figure. His hanging on the tree and his drinking of the well are references to crucifixion, the vine and the tree, the Eucharist and Baptism. Thus, as Jacob or Israel, Odin may be suggested at one point the Jewish son then, at a later point, the Aryan forefather.
The phrase “in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king” we attribute to Desiderius Erasmus, the Dutch Catholic and humanist. However, in the 4th or 5th century Jews were using a similar phrase in the midrash Genesis Rabbah: “In the street of the blind, the one-eyed man is called the Guiding Light.” Here we should understand that the adage suggests not merely that the sighted are masters over the blind but specifically that the half-blind are masters over the blind. Hence Odin, possessing knowledge on a need-to-know-basis, becomes the more relatable, the self-deceived and the more convinced in “the lie.” The man known as “Frenzy” does not have that demoralizing appearance which suggests he knows it all to be a lie, to wit, that Valhalla or Yahweh’s Heaven is a ploy.
Even the Runic language by which the myth ostensibly arrives is suggestive of JEM. The name comes from the Germanic root run meaning “mystery” or “secret.” It is typically understood as having arrived to the Germanic people through contact with the Roman Army during the Roman Imperial period. Hence Odin worship is merely another form of a subversive Mercury worship delivered to the Germanic people via crypto-Jews. In this manner it might be seen as similar to Mithras worship. Yet whereas the latter was an internal development in Roman society, the first developed among rustic barbarians.
For “Odinists” and followers of Asatru, I recommend the epithet “Marvel Fans.” Indeed, if it is good enough for Stan Lee, who clearly perceived or received the Jewish nature of these myths and their value as JEM, it is good enough for them. We are envious! It’s a golden age for “Odinists!” The temples of the lands, movie theaters, accurately celebrate their Gods in a manner keeping pace with the Christianity it ultimately describes! Let them send black Heimdalls into their Ragnaroks, Apollo Leo is free of their magic, dwarf wrought chains. If Apollo fights a war, it will be for himself, not “Fairest Balder.”
This article on the meaning of Ravens, a central symbol in Norse lore, is also relevant: Esoteric Apollo: The Crow or Raven, Symbol of Racial Cuckoldry
This topic is debated here with the foremost expert in Odinism, Stephen McNallen:
A discussion of the closely related myth body of Arthurian Legend is also valuable:
Arthurian Legend as Deleterious Myth
This article, as well, goes into some of my theories on myth transmission: Etymology, mythography and the “Promethean transmission”
In this article I address some of the more general, common criticisms of my work: The Jewish Reaction to Brahminism, “over excited pattern recognition,” and Christian Opposition
 Sturluson, Gylfaginning ch. xlviii, 2008:54-56
 Stan Lee, Journey into Mystery #84, 1962, pg 13
 Matthew 5:29
 The name Odin ostensibly means “Frenzy” or “madness.”
34 thoughts on “NORSE MYTH as Jewish Esoteric Moralization”
Came after listening to a replay of you in Heel Turn.
But…. I’m lost. I can tell there’s something going on here, but I lack the prerequisite reading.
If I start reading from the older posts, will this one make more sense? Or do I need to go to the library?
Thanks for your remark. I probably need to add links to these articles. One man show here though. So will have to get around to it.
There are many bold (and potentially interesting) claims in this article, but no real arguments or sources to back them up. However – the idea that we only know about the Norse myths via Christian compilers is interesting and something I was unaware of. Are you suggesting that the Christian compilers distorted the original Norse myths for their own ends? Are you also suggesting that Norse myths are somehow based on Greco-Roman myths? This never occurred to me before and I would be interested to read more about this….
There are, of course, several arguments here that I believe the reader will find compelling. Unfortunately, I haven’t had an opportunity to provide links to referenced material which most readers maybe unaware of. For the time being, Google may help readers verify my claims.
My argument is that Jews developed these myths. Likewise Jews have always had a crypto-presence in the Church, particularly during periods of strength. Hence it is meaningful that these myths appear essentially “from the Church” or, at the very least, curated by the Church. The Norse myths plainly reference the parables of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. They employ a common, elementary symbol language, found also in the Greco-Roman myth body, that I explicate in this study. My full argument requires many examples and a long explication. It will be provided here, in my writings, books etc. and in my speaking. In the interim, start on this site: “R.E.M Part I: Propaganda, Art, Religion, Myth as race forming synonyms.”
This is one of the stupidest theories I have ever read on this subject and I’ve read Freudian interpretations of Beowulf. Scholars have debated Christian influence on the sources in which Norse myth is transmitted and can see that there obviously are Christian corruptions – it being written 200 years after the official conversion of Iceland (of course paganism was practiced for long after). However the dating of the poetry of the poetic edda often to well before conversion is established, and the paralel myths and cognate deities in other indo-european traditions attest to the antiquity of the mythology and figures. What’s more, claiming Christian influence is different from claiming Jewish influence. Jews arrived in Iceland in the 17th century and to this day there are only a couple of hundred or so there. If we were to accept that Snorri to Yggdrasil from the Kabbalistic world tree, or that Odin was an imitation of christ in his “hanging” motif written by Snorri how then would we explain the equivalent significance of the sacrificial tree in Uppsala as written by Adam of Bremen, or the fact that Woden was referred to by Anglo-Saxons as a hanging god, even though they thought he was a separate deity from the Viking god which they called Odon? Clearly the hanging motif was in place before the linguistic seperation of Woden from Odin which can be dated to at least 200AD around Denmark – LONG before any Christian influence in the region.
Unfortunately, a combination of paranoia and ignorance may lead some impressionable types to believe that Kabbalah actually had an influence on Snorri’s writing, as is claimed here. I advise readers to consider how likely it is that this revelation would remain undiscovered by scores of dedicated historians, linguists and philologists who have spent the past 3 centuries analysing these myths, but that one alt-right commentator should discover it now.
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This is one of the stupidest theories I have ever read on this subject and I’ve read Freudian interpretations of Beowulf.
—What was that? Let’s keep this a sober discussion please. I am happy to discuss these matters with you but insults won’t be tolerated. If you are interested in a debate on a livestream I am sure that can be arranged. But there I will insist on decorum as well.
Scholars have debated Christian influence on the sources in which Norse myth is transmitted and can see that there obviously are Christian corruptions – it being written 200 years after the official conversion of Iceland (of course paganism was practiced for long after). However the dating of the poetry of the poetic edda often to well before conversion is established…
—I don’t argue that conversion pre-dates Norse poetry or myth. I argue that Christian myth predates these things which evidently it does. You must see the weakness in this argument. I accept that Germanic people were “converted” or adopted Norse mythology before Christianity.
and the paralel myths and cognate deities in other indo-european traditions attest to the antiquity of the mythology and figures.
—We find with Norse myth a myth and symbol language developed since Sumer. Not by rustics and shaman having visions but by urbanized and sophisticated artists, knowledgeably deploying symbol language. Norse myth is, in fact, quite sophisticated.
What’s more, claiming Christian influence is different from claiming Jewish influence. Jews arrived in Iceland in the 17th century and to this day there are only a couple of hundred or so there.
—I argue that the crypto Jewish influence of the Church has been profound, particularly during its periods of strength. Jews did not split from Christians in 70 AD any more that Communists split from Jews with the publishing of the Communist Manifesto in 1848. So in a sense, Christian influence is, in this context, Jewish influence. My arguments for this are written, need to be edited but will be published/are forthcoming. Was the Christian merchant Snorri Sturluson a crypto-Jew? Possibly. He was in any case drawing from myths developed by Jews at least in the main. I don’t argue all contributions were Jewish. Aryans, for instance, contributed “The Punisher” to the comic book pantheon and developed early pulp heroes that Jewish artists would essentially adopt and greatly enrich with symbolic messaging. Yet Comic book myths are, nevertheless, wholly Jewish. My study will explicate this.
If we were to accept that Snorri to Yggdrasil from the Kabbalistic world tree, or that Odin was an imitation of christ in his “hanging” motif written by Snorri how then would we explain the equivalent significance of the sacrificial tree in Uppsala as written by Adam of Bremen, or the fact that Woden was referred to by Anglo-Saxons as a hanging god, even though they thought he was a separate deity from the Viking god which they called Odon?
—This is already answered. My thesis is the “Promethean Transmission.” It is contrary to the Grimm brothers understanding that myth develops natively from rustic peoples. In its important and abiding instances it arrives externally through merchants, priests, Jews, crypto-Jews or proto-Jews. A common symbol language reveals this.
Clearly the hanging motif was in place before the linguistic seperation of Woden from Odin which can be dated to at least 200AD around Denmark – LONG before any Christian influence in the region.
—This is already answered.
Unfortunately, a combination of paranoia and ignorance may lead some impressionable types to believe that Kabbalah actually had an influence on Snorri’s writing, as is claimed here. I advise readers to consider how likely it is that this revelation would remain undiscovered by scores of dedicated historians, linguists and philologists who have spent the past 3 centuries analysing these myths, but that one alt-right commentator should discover it now.
—Perhaps you underestimated the Alt-Right. I humbly admit that my theories regarding myth are breakthrough or not previously considered (at least by people of which I am aware). Perhaps you believe more meaningful truths appear in academia nowadays, particularly truths of this nature. On the other hand, it is evident that artists like Stan Lee knew exactly what I’ve explicated.
—Paranoia does not figure into this. Rather I graciously acknowledge Jews as the master myth-makers and storytellers they very evidently are. While I understand my own people to have been very inept in this regard since Rome and Greece. I understand that my theories are potentially injurious to the vanity of those who understand Norse Mythology as “the story of my people.” But this is the goal of Mystery Religion: to get other people’s to adopt it as their own so that they are worshiping their gods/people. When Jews do it, it is what we will call “Jewish Esoteric Demoralization.” My project is to teach the elementary language of symbol and myth to our artists for the purposes of AIM or “Apollonian/Aryan Inner Moralization.”
—We can debate this on a livestream but to go on in the comment section is not a good use of our time. I am sure you’ll agree. This will be much more efficient. There we can make our arguments known to tens of thousands of people. Maybe there you can address the actual specific points I bring up in the article.
I didn’t say you were stupid I said this theory was.
Bringing Marvel comics into it is utterly banal. Your theory of “Promethean Transmission.” cannot explain the hanging motif existing in Northern Europe BEFORE it became a Christian symbol and trope under Constantine (although to be specific Jesus wasn’t hanged) and BEFORE Roman influence had spread in Germania. The idea that “crypto-jews” of Rome would be able to travel freely in Germania is unsupported and even if they could reach Batavia they would never get as far as the region of the Teutons which is the point of dispersal for the date of linguistic diversion i mentioned.
Sumer came AFTER the Proto-Indo-European mythology was already established in Europe. The correspondences with Indo-European religions are not related to Sumer, and there is no proven influence of Sumerian religion on Proto-Indo-European religion or its offshoots of Celtic, Baltic, Slavic or Germanic only in the Classical paganism of the South which mixed with Middle Easterners.
The god of Wotanaz must have been worshipped prior to the birth of Christ in order for his names to have dispersed in this timeline – your theory could still argue that the hanging motif was added to him later (actually that may well be true but is unprovable) but even if this is the case, it does not mean Christianity had anything to do with it. A god who makes sacrifices or is killed can be found in many many human religions and there is no reason to connect them unless we can see very obvious parallels or proven historical contact- but in this case Odin/woden are referred to only as having hung from a tree, and the tree itself is likened to a horse in kennings, further connecting it to indo-european religion and distancing it from christian or jewish religion. The reason for sacrifice and the form of sacrifice are different, as are the metaphysical meanings behind the respective sacrifices and there is no evidence to show one developed under the influence of the other, although this has been speculated for many years, and is now widely reputed in academia, but is central to your theory which you have yet to substantiate with a single piece of evidence.
Let’s take it to the livestream friend.
The PIE myth cycle is a construction of mythographers. I find it interesting but it’s certainly far from conclusive. There is no actual source for PIE myths. Mark’s work is obviously heavy on conjecture because it is about decoding symbolism. PIE myth is just as conjectural in nature though. There is no actual source for it.
There is no definitive genetic link between any of the Indo-European myths, and most of them were never recorded, never transmitted. The most wholly preserved one is the Roman, but it’s also probably the most consciously and conspicuously developed and therefore most heavily embellished. It’s very difficult to then reconstruct other myths based on the embellished Roman myths. We don’t have any information about the ‘originals’ and the existence of such is purely conjectural.
It seems absurd to critique Brahmin’s work here based on the lack of a provable genetic link between the myths of other contemporaneous peoples and Indo-Europeans when there is no provable genetic link between the myths of various groups of Indo-Europeans. If there is no genetic link between say all of the various dying and rising god cults why exactly can’t the various groups of Indo-Europeans have developed their myths which bare a passing resemblance independently of each other as well? It’s a weird double standard based on some conception of northern Europeans having been some kind of barbaric isolate prior to Christianization, which is obviously a self-serving and almost certainly ahistorical narrative to lionize Christianity as the creator of European civilization. Neo-Pagans rebrand the same ahistorical narrative to emphasize authenticity, originality and purity of their beliefs vis a vis Christians.
Regardless, the earliest Indo-European language speaking group we are aware of were the Hittites, whose empire reached into the Levant, and whose most successful King Suppiluliuma I actually married a Babylonian princess. He’s also a probable template for the Biblical Cain. Contact with Semitic peoples goes back basically all the way and the earliest civilized Indo-Europeans were empire building cosmopolitans who freely incorporated elements of everyone else’s religious systems. They developed right next to each other and more or less contemporaneously.
There is absolutely zero evidence of dispersion of any Slavic, Germanic, or Nordic paganism as Neo-Pagans understand it prior to any of this. The idea that a single, contiguous, more or less unchangng mythological and religious system pervaded northern Europe from before Sumeria (more than 7,000 years ago) until around 1,000 years ago without any written language seems totally absurd. We have the PIE myth cycle which has not a single textual document to prove it actually existed. All we do have is a reconstruction, and the extant Hittite texts which bare a passing resemblance to Slavic myths. Of course since the Hittite aristocracy didn’t arrive in Anatolia with a fully formed religion this would have to date the genetic link with Slavic myths to some time around the hey day of the Bronze Age civilization, at the oldest. Certainly not more than 7,000 years old.
Also sorry to say to LARPagans and my fellow northern Europeans but the whole Germanic and to lesser extent Nordic language family have markers of Semitic influence. It’s highly likely that some group like the Phoenicians was significantly impactful to Germanic peoples in pre-history. Phoenician pottery has been found off the coast of northern Germany, which would have been dry land 2,500 years ago. Proto-Germanic speakers weren’t totally isolated from the Ancient world and the single most well traveled group in history until the modern age were highly literate speakers of a Semitic language.
“Regardless, the earliest Indo-European language speaking group we are aware of were the Hittites, whose empire reached into the Levant, and whose most successful King Suppiluliuma I actually married a Babylonian princess. He’s also a probable template for the Biblical Cain. Contact with Semitic peoples goes back basically all the way and the earliest civilized Indo-Europeans were empire building cosmopolitans who freely incorporated elements of everyone else’s religious systems. They developed right next to each other and more or less contemporaneously.”
Thank you for your intelligent remarks. My analysis, as articulated above, draws attention to the striking and undeniable symbolic and thematic similarities between the Norse cycle, the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament in particular. It also relies on clear evidence that Jews and what I call Proto-Jews are symbolists par excellence. This is born out dramatically in my broader study that also focuses on contemporary works of Jewish art where common themes and symbols are continued. The Norse myth body is highly sophisticated removing in my mind the possibility it was developed by barbarians. Indeed, today one would look in vain among civilized Western nations for an Aryan artist that could submit a work of similar sophistication. For instance, it references Jewish works and themes both in relatively direct ways but also in clever and oblique ways. For a broader overview on my thesis regarding the transmission of many key “Indo-European” myths please read: https://theapolloniantransmission.com/2019/01/09/etymology-mythography-and-the-promethean-transmission/ Again, thank you for your intelligent commentary.
I never heard so much stupidity disguised as a rational argument explaining this.
You hold the Poetic Edda in your hands, knowing you don’t hold the original in your hands.
You also know that the Poetic Edda has been rewritten, don’t you (?).
And you also know full well that history is always written by the victors.
The entire Poetic Edda in its original form is lost for good, unfortunately.
And now you come here and try to rectify things without having Germanic blood in your veins.
What do you think gives you the right demanding a place on the same step of the Vikings?
Because you are a know-it-all-better Brit?
Germany’s Greatest German, Nietzsche, was against “Vikingism” and venerated above all the Greeks and Romans. He also was an enemy of petty nationalism.
Even if one refuses to consider the ethnic origins of Norse myth, the myth itself is deleterious especially if taken seriously. Wagner’s Ring Cycle psychically prepared Europe for the apocalypse of WW2, for example, but so also did the Arthurian Legend. So “Brits” are going under the bus too.
No thank you. I don’t do that sort of thing. Your theory ignores Indo-European studies completely but doesn’t attempt to debunk them or even oppose them with evidence of the Ancient Semitic influence. Try and get this published in an academic journal and see what happens.
When reading this I wondered what STJ would say about this. Thanks.
Haha. Yes, they would find it upsetting if for different reasons than you. Apollo 1, Odin 0.
So what true religion is left to anglo/celts? unironic esoteric hitlerism? the real bronze age beliefs are lost to history.
Thank you for your comment. Follow this series. Our art will be our religion. This project is developed to recover the symbol language that forms it for artists to deploy. Also, Apollo is our God:
It’s Definitely something to think about, it’s given me some cognitive dissonance in the very least, along with a few other people judging by the amount of rustled jimmies. I suppose there is nothing wrong with adopting Apollo – I mean it can’t be any less valid than a semitic fertility cult.
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Ouch, in AFTER Survive The Jive…
Looks like you didn’t Survive The Jive
I debated McNallen, the leading authority on the Alt Right in Norse Mythology. Others are too afraid to debate me directly because my points can’t be refuted. But they are invited to. As to what they murmur “victoriously” on their own streams is of little interest to me. As you can see from this thread, the opposition fled.
Survive the Jive is a practicing pagan. I mean I don’t know why he would be more authoritative on this issue than E. Michael Jones who says that all northern Europeans were basically cavemen prior to Christianity. Apologists can obviously produce works of merit but non-believers should be aware of the motivated reasoning which is the entire purpose of the work.
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“The PIE myth cycle is a construction of mythographers. I find it interesting but it’s certainly far from conclusive. There is no actual source for PIE myths. ”
Wrong. PIE is to do with linguistic reconstruction.
Linguistics. Not myths.
If there was not an original source who spoke the PIE language. How do you explain the IE language family? How do you explain the similarities between the different IE languages?
What PIE myths are you referring to specifically? and what you would accept as a source? The rigveda? The oldest texts by people writing in an IE language DO support a PIE hypothesis. What would you have as a source for a people who lived and died before writing?
I responded to some of these questions in the comment section here: https://theapolloniantransmission.com/2018/12/28/circumcision-saturn-kumarbi-foreskins-the-human-gelding/ Thank you for your remarks.
I typed into DuckDuckGo: “Esoteric Jew” and your post was the first result I clicked on.
I’ve felt for the last several years now that our history is but a huge lie. I mean everything. Everything is contaminated. So even if we go back to Apollo (although I do encourage looking at these topics you bring up, I dont think we should actually embrace any of them in the form of religions or “schools of thought”, they only serve to give us a glimpse of our failures) we will still be left “hoping” we got it right…
What I suggest is we start over. Tabula Rasa. Do what our ancestors did at their “beginning” in other words. Train not only ourselves but our children to listen to nature, to our hearts, our instincts. Recreate an Aryan Civilization for the Aryans who are alive today, not what they build thousands of years ago.
My philosophy in a sloppy summary:
Although one could argue that the Aryan is Masculine and the Semite Feminine, I see those two things as equivalent to the “Force”, both the Dark Sith and the Jedi use the same Force (yes that whole story is Jewish but for the sake of the argument…). The Aryan version of “God” (Aryan Masculinity) is something we Become, not worship or “pray” to. That old saying “God created us in ‘his’ image” is true in a sense, “She” created us in her image, we are a ‘physical’ representation of the metaphysical, we reach a state of Goddess in physical form therefore Masculine in nature.
Masculinity provides Language, Culture, Architecture, Science. Feminine provides Inspiration, Intuition and most importantly Guidance (What do religious people pray to?) All modern religions which encourage Masculine Worship or “God Fearing”, essentially any Masculine form of a Metaphysical God is Jewish and pure Darkness. The Demiurge. The Devil in disguise. etc etc….
I disagree with your conclusion. Myth is supremely powerful. Even your “philosophy” is myth-based. Discarding it is giving this weapon over wholly to our adversaries. It is not an option. We should use it to our ends. The insults developed in myth to disparage Apollo, who is the clearest symbol of the Aryan race, are akin to the insults being developed by historians to disparage our ancestors. Do we discard our ancestors or do we redeem them? Of course, you and individuals can do whatever you/they please. I recommend you keep reading: https://theapolloniantransmission.com/2019/05/03/why-apolloism-is-3-0-2/
No no, I never said to disregard history. And symbolism specifically is definitely powerful, its been used all throughout history, as far back as the Egyptian pre Dynasties some 30+ thousand years ago (watch Magical Egypt from John West?). In fact, Id go so far as to say that the concept of symbolism originated with that ancient Egyptian Aryan civilization that built the pyramid and sphinx which the Jews eventually usurped and turned it into an African nation. The Jews dont create, they only manipulate what already exists, which is why I say to start over and not embrace too much of the past. Its too distorted… in my not so humble opinion… But your on to something, and I do find history really fascinated and very helpful in figuring out where we are going and how to prevent past mistakes and what tactics to look out for…
I have been studying the religions and cults of Eurasia for at least a decade now. I always enjoyed positing over the Norse myths, but of any Aryan religion, it always had the most “hiccups”, and far more incongruities than most other areas (except Irish I suppose). Though I am predominantly of Scandinavian/Germanic heritage, I cant seem to care about that weird tree, or wolf cults (Wolves of Vinland and typical filthy heathen/pirate types), and I was always more interested in the hero sagas than the actual myths, which I find cobbled and devoid of any ascendant meaning, and this always bothered me. I never considered (as i knew it had happened in Greece and Rome) that there could have been subtle semitic/chthonic influence in the northern cycle that would have deteriorated the foundations. I thank you for your insight. So with that being said i would like to posit a few questions to you and follow with some of the things that came to my mind as I read this paper.
1. Would you say it is more accurate to call the Vanir the true Hyperborean gods of the north?
2. Are there characters in the Norse pantheon that you would ascribe to Apollo, Zeus, and Aries?
-I see Tyr as a fallen Zeus, and possibly Freyr as Apollo though its a stretch. another candidate is Ēarendel who is represented by Venus/dawn star and is a very old and legendary hero, though that is almost all that is known of him. It is this character that Tolkien was inspired by when creating Eärendil the Mariner.
3. Do you see Odin as a possible and literal semitic invader king?
-Its said he introduces runes. Writing seems to be very un-Aryan as they knew it degraded memory. Nor where they in there earliest days (B.C) keen on deception, and held truth as the highest morality.
I see a clear parallel between the Dionysian Orphic cult/myth and that of Balder.
I agree Thor being a thunder god does not make him celestial. It is still relative to earth and is therefore chthonic and not supra-physical or objectively detached as a true Aryan outlook would dictate. He seams to have been more of a “farmers god”.
I believe you are accurate when you prescribe the title of Hyperboreans to the Jotun. The word Jotun has been stated to have come from the word for a mounted horsemen. These men would have been the great mars worshiping Aryan people of the steppe, the Scythians, who would have been in close kinship and proximity to the germanic/norse regions.
Thank you for your time. I look foreword to conversing.
Interesting, and obviously causing a stir.
Just an attempt a correction – in all the teachings we’ve had on the old Norse Mythology it was Frøya (Freya) and not Frigga who owned the Brisingamen. She was the one who slept with the dwarfs to get it. Frøya was a vanir, which I belive goes quite a bit back in time.
And a question for you: The understanding that Snorre Sturlason was a christian, and the myths were written down after two and a half century of christianity is well known. So is the possible christian veil upon the myths.
But from there to almost describing the whole known norse mythology as jewish, almost to its core, seems a bit far fetched? is there nothing there surviving the jewish onslaught? Except from a few Aryan hints here and there?
in any case – very interesting research!
Thank you for the comment. I’ll have to look at that again. I remember Freya as well. Frigg and Freya are sometimes considered essentially synonymous by mythographers but I believe it was Freya too. As to your second question: My speculation is that the Norse Myth body represents something akin to the American Comic book myth body in the sense that, while essentially Jewish, it may have borrowed from earlier native myths that were less consciously formed and may have included non-Jewish developers, particularly developing less central motifs. Nevertheless it is as much grist for our artists and myth makers as any myth or symbol body. The key is simply understanding what the symbols mean so parable can be developed coherently and in a moralizing direction. Likewise virtually no myth body is “pure.” Rather Jewish or proto-Jeiwsh influence is perceivable through at least all the western and near eastern myths. I argue the Roman and Greek pantheon, though, indicate clear Aryan chieftain deities and were consciously developed to moralize Aryans.